This is the Legend Of...

At 11 years old, she performed her first major performance with an orchestra.
 At 12 years old, she won her first international competition.
 At 22 years old, she won 2nd prize at the Canadian Chopin Competition.
 And later this year in 2025, Athena Deng will be competing for the greatest piano prize of all at the International Chopin Competition.
  Join Amos Vang on the first miniseries episode of “The Road to Warsaw” as he features the legend of Athena Deng.  Amos and Athena discuss in great detail Athena’s career, achievements and experiences (including those at the 2025 Canadian Chopin Competition), as well as the intricacies of musicality and excellent piano performance.  Amos and Athena also discuss the legacy of Fryderyk Franciszek Chopin and the impact of Chopin’s music on the world, along with the importance of the International Chopin Competition.
-- CHAPTERS --0:00 – Introduction3:03 – What inspired Athena Deng to pursue piano?4:10 – Piano is the hockey equivalent for ethnic Chinese people like Amos Vang and Athena Deng5:48 – What were the early influences on Athena Deng’s style?7:15 – Athena Deng is a major fan of the great Martha Argerich!8:07 – What were Athena Deng’s favorite memories with her early years as a young pianist?9:18 – Athena Deng explains the ideal hand position for playing piano.10:44 – What were the greatest challenges that Athena Deng faced early on?14:35 – Similar to sports such as hockey, rewatching one’s own piano performances is highly important for pianists to fix their flaws.17:07 – At 11 years old, Athena Deng made her major orchestral performing debut.21:17 – Martha Argerich’s performance of Prokofiev’s Piano Concerto No. 3 influenced Athena Deng’s performance.22:24 – Athena Deng also performed Prokofiev’s Toccata.  Amos Vang explains the difficulty of that piece.23:29 – What were the most important lessons that Athena Deng learned from her debut?25:00 – Athena’s sister, Corina Deng, is a violinist.  Athena explains her experiences with performing with Corina. 27:00 – At 12 years old, Athena Deng won her first international competition.  How does she prepare for these competitions?31:21 – Amos Vang shares his experiences with preparing for the Canadian Music Competition.33:31 – How do pianists such as Athena Deng and Amos Vang adapt to different pianos?37:48 – What does Athena Deng look for in a piano?39:35 – What was it like to study with Dang Thai Son?41:29 – Dang Thai Son faced a lot of tribulation42:53 – Athena Deng’s performance of Chopin’s “Funeral March”46:11 – What sparked Athena Deng to embark on the Road to Warsaw?50:17 – What was Athena Deng’s feelings during each round of the Canadian Chopin Competition?53:20 – Athena Deng describes the experience of winning 2nd prize at the Canadian Chopin Competition54:13 – What is Athena Deng’s mindset going into the International Chopin Competition?57:00 – Considering Chopin’s letters in musical performance59:35 – Krzysztof Jablonski1:01:45 – Paderewski edition vs. Ekier edition/Polish National Edition.  Which one is the most accurate and faithful to Chopin?1:02:50 – Who is Chopin to Athena Deng?1:06:32 – What is musicality to Athena Deng?1:07:31 – Why is Chopin’s music so profound and impactful to people?1:10:29 – Practice is important!1:14:56 – How to do bel canto singing while playing Chopin’s music?1:18:10 – Alexander Gadjiev took up timpani to polish his piano performing technique!1:23:12 – Athena Deng played on period instruments!  How did they sound, and how are they different from modern pianos?1:24:57 – People’s sense of hearing has diminished in the 21st century.1:32:55 – How does Athena Deng balance her musical philosophy with Chopin’s philosophy?1:35:15 – Piano performance is like method acting. Amos Vang uses the example of Martin Scorsese.1:38:35 – What are the worst misconceptions about classical music?1:49:10 – What are the most rewarding aspects of Athena Deng’s career?1:52:28 – Outro
 You can follow Athena on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/athenadenq/
MUSIC BY: Scott Buckley - Tomorrow  – released under CC-BY 4.0.                   https://www.scottbuckley.com.au/
And by: Amos VangAnd by: Fryderyk Franciszek Chopin

An excellent composer must have exceptional understanding of the audience’s preferences.
            In part 2 of the Legend of Aaron Tsang, Amos Vang and Aaron Tsang discuss Aaron’s decision to go to the University of Toronto for music composition, the evolution of Aaron’s musical style, the similarities between composers and lawyers, and the importance of mentorship in the music profession and the legal profession.
            You may also be surprised at the number of similarities between composers and lawyers.
Aaron also discusses the importance of predicting and understanding an audience’s musical tastes, and Amos and Aaron discuss concrete examples such as Mick Gordon’s “Doom: 2016” and “Doom Eternal” soundtracks, as well as Christopher Tin’s “Baba Yetu” and “Sogno di Volare” for Civilization IV and VI respectively.
 
Intro and Outro music: Jubilant Dawn (University of Toronto Graduation Fanfare), MIDI version, by Aaron Tsang
Any other referenced music belongs to their respective owners.
 
--- CHAPTERS ---
0:00 – Recap and Introduction
0:41 – This is why the University of Toronto’s Music program is a top choice for music training.
5:13 – Musical style is defined by the rhythm.
7:39 – Mychael Danna, the Oscar Award-winning and Golden Globe Award-winning composer for the film “Life of Pi”, is an alumnus of the University of Toronto’s Music Composition Program!!!!!
8:07 – Christopher Tin’s Grammy Award-winning “Baba Yetu” is legendary. Here is why.
9:24 – Christopher Tin displays a mastery of different languages in his compositions.
10:26 – How has Aaron’s musical style evolved over his career?
12:04 – Aaron had to build his entire computer setup to create his own music.
12:46 – One must be sensitive and capacious to areas of knowledge that are entirely foreign to one’s own knowledge base.
16:47 – Proper musical recording technique can even lead to a Juno Award win!!!!!
19:15 – Just like musicians, experienced lawyers can find themselves struggling to explain legal concepts to junior lawyers.
19:52 – Law school does NOT teach you how to practice law.  Rather, it only teaches you how to think like a lawyer (and even then, it is not very good at doing that).
21:07 – Mentors are EXTREMELY IMPORTANT in the legal profession.
23:44 – A composer can learn A LOT about unfamiliar instrumentation through trial and error.
25:25– Law school does one thing well: the work is voluminous.  There is A LOT of work in law school.  Legal writing is an important skill!!!!!
27:38 – Talking to clients (as a lawyer) is a difficult skill.  Explaining difficult legal concepts to clients in plain English is important.
28:55 – Anything that is compelling will translate well across the board.  This is true in music, law, and most other industries.
31:38 – Composers, lawyers, and sports broadcasters make their jobs look easy.  This can be a blessing and a curse.
32:32 – Mick Gordon had an extremely tight timeline to compose the soundtracks for the “Doom” series.
33:08 – The OSTs for the Doom series display Mick Gordon’s musical compositional prowess.
34:40 – Good music composition is not easy.
36:25 – An excellent composer can understand the listener and can imply the listener’s expectations.
41:20 – Composers and lawyers have one common question to answer: who is the audience of their written work?
43:00 – Martha Argerich is one of the greatest pianists of all time.  Here’s why.
48:40 – Back in Amos’s piano performing days, Amos also experienced a similar form of quick, instinctual learning to the type that other performing pianists have.
50:05 – Amos applies his musical training in his sports announcing.  Here’s how.
55:48 – What are the similarities and differences between Aaron’s approach to film music composing and to video game music composing?

At 14 years old, his music and films were featured at international film festivals.
            He’s composed for world-renowned video game and entertainment publishers such as Capcom, DreamWorks Pictures, and Konami.
            In fact, the intro and outro music that you will hear on this episode was written by Aaron Tsang, specifically for all graduation ceremonies at the University of Toronto.
            This is the Legend Of… Aaron Tsang, award-winning composer and music professor at the University of Toronto!
            Join Amos Vang and Aaron Tsang in their discussion on Aaron’s career, musical style, musical influences, and musical analysis.
This is the first part of a multi-part conversation, so stay tuned for future parts.  On this part, Amos and Aaron discuss:
Aaron’s early musical influences and beginnings
Aaron’s experiences as a young teenager making music and films at international film festivals
The question of whether music can truly be objective
Musical analysis on iconic themes such as the Super Smash Bros. Melee Menu 1 Theme, and why they hit so differently
The influence of the famous Chinese story, “Journey to the West”, and other wuxia stories on Aaron’s musical style
You can follow Aaron on Instagram: @aarontsang.music
You can visit Aaron’s website: www.aarontsang.com
-- CHAPTERS –
0:00 – Introduction
2:36 – What inspired Aaron Tsang to pursue music?
4:50 – What instruments did Aaron play?
6:53 – How do pianists apply bel canto singing to piano performance?
7:44 – How did these instruments influence Aaron’s musical thinking?
8:57 – How do pianists perform within the gaps of the notes?
11:34 – The same pianist can perform the same piece of music differently across different concerts. How?
13:00 – Tempo rubato in classical music
17:33 – Public advocacy as a lawyer is very similar to musical performance as a pianist. How?
19:34 – Public advocacy, musical performance, and sports announcing have A LOT in common.  How?
20:03 – Aaron’s early non-musical influences on his musical style
23:07 – Video games REALLY influenced Aaron’s musical style.  Why?
25:20 – Wuxia REALLY influenced Aaron’s musical style.  Why?
28:09 – Journey to the West is one of the most influential stories in the world (probably even more than Shakespearean stories)
28:54 – Black Myth Wukong reused a part of the main theme from the 1986 TV adaptation of Journey to the West!
29:47 – Westerners, especially Canadians and Americans, are rediscovering the beauty of wuxia films such as “Hero” (2001)!
31:04 – Super Smash Bros. Melee’s menu theme is ICONIC!!!!!
31:57 – In his professorship, Aaron argues that music is not subjective. How?
33:04 – Why is Super Smash Bros. Melee’s menu theme so iconic?  Here’s Aaron and Amos’s musical analysis and discussion on that.
40:40 – Melee’s Opening Theme is ALSO ICONIC.  Here’s why.
42:57 – Nintendo is the master of nostalgia, especially when it comes to musical composition and counterpoint.
45:08 – At 14 years old, Aaron’s work was featured at international film festivals.  This is how he storyboards his music and films.
52:03 – Effective communication between the composer and the producer is important.
57:21 – Similar to music, effective communication between a lawyer and a client is important.
1:02:19 – Outro.  Stay tuned for the next part!!!!!
 
Intro and Outro Music by: Aaron Tsang
All other referenced music featured in this episode are attributed to their respective composers.
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Gone are the days when people had one job.
            Gone are the days when professions such as lawyers and doctors enjoyed a high level of respect and recognition.
            Gone are the days when it was believed that a person could only be an expert in one area.
            Today, it is becoming increasingly important to have expertise in not just one profession, but MANY professions.  Ironically, this is a return to the Renaissance’s idea of multifaceted expertise.
All of this is thanks to post-professionalism, which is the largestsocial shift since industrialization and arguably since the Western world’s Enlightenment.
            Dr. Ka Tat Tsang, psychotherapist, social work expert, and inventor of the iconic Strategies and Skills and Learning Development (SSLD) system, returns to This is the Legend Of… to discuss the legend of post-professionalism and the ways in which it has affected the world.  In this episode, Dr. Tsang and Amos Vang discuss the following topics:
0:00 – Introduction
0:42 – What is post-professionalism?
2:00 – How did we get to post-professionalism?
3:27 – 1945 vs. 1960 vs. 2024 in post-secondary education levels
5:22 – Post-professionalism was sorta inevitable, because of the mass professionalization of everyone
6:05 – Today, lawyers and doctors no longer enjoy the same degree of respect compared to decades ago
7:55 – Attitudes towards the legal profession have substantially changed
9:55 – Certain parts of the legal practice have lost some of its meaningful/fulfilling aspects
12:55 – Mental illnesses resulting from professional life, including the legal and medical professions
13:55 – Institutional control and surveillance
14:21 – Dunbar’s Number and the erosion of trust between people
17:55 – Today, people struggle to build meaningful connections with each other, unlike 150 years ago
19:05 – Chinese cultural concept of “guan xi” (關係)
19:54 – The relationship between therapist and client is MORE IMPORTANT than the method!
20:10 – Why therapy FAILS Asian-Americans and Asians
22:10 – Strong relationships are important in ANY profession
22:37 – Cheap oil and cheap energy may have significantly harmed human relationships
26:00 – The future may be a return to the small rural communities, NOT technology: Amos’s argument at Stanford University’s MAHB
27:00 – The individual vs. the tribe
30:25 – The professional paradigm is NOT SUSTAINABLE ANYMORE!
31:15 – All high-income countries in the West and in Asia have extremely low fertility rates that are below the replacement rate
32:00 – University professorship opportunities are decreasing, too
32:30 – The market must be reformulated into a post-professional model
33:56 – Sustainability vs. growth
40:30 – How can you adapt to the post-professional world?
43:05 – Humans face challenges that require expertise in more than one profession
44:00 – The labour market has shifted towards a post-professional, multidisciplinary world
45:05 – AI and the post-professional world
49:00 – Amos’s post-professional career – music and sports have A LOT in common
50:03 – Amos’s post-professional project – can string theory, metaphysics, and epistemology answer the Questions of Infinity and Impossibility?
54:50 – Professionals such as lawyers and doctors were expected to follow certain social scripts.  Not anymore today.
55:25 – People are freer to move around in the post-professional world
1:02:04 – What does it mean to be human?
1:05:12 – Concluding Remarks
You can subscribe to Dr. Tsang’s YouTube channel: ⁠https://www.youtube.com/@tsangkatat⁠
 Music by: Amos Vang

Lawyer.  Professor.  Contestant on CBC’s “Canada’s Smartest Person”. Former election candidate for Ottawa City Council and for the Law Society of Ontario.  Legal polymath.  This is the Legend Of… Rebecca Jaremko Bromwich.
 
            Join Amos Vang as he features the trailblazing career of Dr. Bromwich.  The two lawyers discuss the inspiration for Dr. Bromwich’s versatile, diverse career across the law and non-law worlds, as well as the most important lessons that Dr. Bromwich learned over the years.
 
           Professor Bromwich will also be a regular guest on "This is the Legend Of..."!
 
            Amos and Dr. Bromwich also discuss other topics, such as the importance of genuine cultural humility, the limits of Canadian cultural thinking, nihilism vs. absurdism vs. existentialism, and other esoteric philosophical discussions.
 
Music by: Scott Buckley
               https://www.scottbuckley.com.au/
And by: Amos Vang
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It's difficult enough to get to therapy. It's even more heartbreaking when you realize that no matter how hard you tried, it didn't work. And it's NOT your fault.
Unfortunately, this is the reality facing many Asians and Asian-Americans. On this sobering episode, Amos Vang and Godwin Chan discuss the difficult reality of the cultural limits of therapy and the clashing of the WEIRD mindset (Western, Educated, Industrial, Rich, and Democratic) with non-WEIRD mindsets. Amos and Godwin also explain in more detail the introvert experience, as well as how extroverts can relate to introverts in a culturally extroverted Western world.
DISCLAIMER: this episode does NOT aim to give any medical advice at all. Nor is it claiming that ALL therapy fails (therapy can work for some people). This episode simply shines light on an important yet socially taboo topic: that therapy is not necessarily for everyone, and that therapy must improve in order to accommodate more people.
 
Music by: Amos Vang
Website: https://www.thisisthelegendof.com/
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Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thisisthelegendof/
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An episode 20+ years in the making.  Scientist, venture capitalist, angel investor, podcaster.  This is the Legend Of Godwin Chan.  Godwin will also be a regular feature on the podcast and will co-host some episodes.
Amos Vang and Godwin Chan have been friends for over 20 years: since kindergarten/Grade 1!  Over these decades, the two friends have had thousands of fascinating conversations about metaphysical philosophy, epistemological philosophy, cultural philosophy, classical musical philosophy, quantum physics, string theory, T-symmetry and the theoretical reversal of time and entropy, evolutionary biology, peak oil, civilizational collapse, causality, T-symmetry, and many other topics.
#philosophy #startup #culture#conversation#legend 
Join Amos Vang as he features Godwin’s career and adventures.  The conversation gets REALLY good starting at about 57:00 onwards, and it exemplifies their off-camera, off-mic conversations.  Such topics include (but are not limited to):
- the limitations of the schooling system,- cultural humility and understanding of Western and non-Western cultures, - introversion vs. extroversion, - Western cultural philosophy vs Chinese cultural philosophy [i.e. Confucianism, Legalism, Taoism, etc.] (and why Chinese culture tends to be a bit better at mediation than Western cultures),- Dunbar’s Number,- Free will vs predeterminism, predeterminism vs. predestination; why free will (arguably) does NOT exist, why predestination (arguably) also does NOT exist, and why predetermination (arguably) exists,- Meaning vs. no meaning, intrinsic meaning vs. the illusion of meaning, Kierkegaardian Existentialism, Camusian Absurdism, Schopenhauerian determinism, heat death of the universe, human extinction, and what that means for a human’s life.
You can follow Godwin on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/godwinhschan/And you can connect with him on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/godwinhschan/
Music by: Scott Buckley              https://www.scottbuckley.com.au/And by Amos Vang
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Step aside, Michael Buffer. A new announcer has stepped into the ring of history.
 Join Amos Vang as he features Carlos Verde, international fight night ring announcer for United Boxing Promotions!
 For over 10 years, Carlos’s adventures in journalism has brought him everywhere from international level women’s hockey to university basketball, and now to boxing and MMA.  Carlos’s exceptional skills in public presentation, writing, and communication have paved such a legendary pathway over these years, and he’s even announced fights on DAZN and ESPN!    Carlos is the embodiment of a Carleton Raven.
 The two long time friends reminisce on their adventures in university and professional sports announcing, as well as the important career lessons that they have learned from such adventures.
         You can follow Carlos on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cverde29/

There’s mythbusting, and then there’s history mythbusting.
 Join Amos Vang as he interviews Sebastian Major, a history teacher and host of the award-winning podcast Our Fake History!
 In a similar vein to This is the Legend Of…, Sebastian focuses on telling the unknown stories of history itself: everywhere from ancient history to classical history to even the history of professional wrestling! In this episode, Amos and Sebastian also emphasize the importance of cultural humility and cultural understanding, particularly in the sense of removing a Eurocentric/Western bias when understanding non-Western cultures and non-Western histories. Amos and Sebastian also discuss the fact that not everything has to follow a Western perspective, and that something can be correct (or even more correct) and does not have to be a Western perspective.
 You can follow Sebastian at his podcast’s website: https://ourfakehistory.com/ You can follow Sebastian’s Instagram: @ourfakehistory You can subscribe to Sebastian’s podcast YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@ourfakehistory2211 You can follow Sebastian’s podcast Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/ourfakehistory
Music by: Scott Buckley               https://www.scottbuckley.com.au/And by Amos Vang
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            At 25 years old, he became the youngest concertmaster in a North American orchestra.  This is the Legend Of Jonathan Crow, a legendary Canadian violinist, concertmaster of the Toronto Symphony Orchestra, and former teacher of another legendary violinist, Kerson Leong.
            In this episode, Amos Vang and Jonathan Crow discuss about Jonathan’s marvelous career and experiences in the world of violin.  From performing for the great Sir Yehudi Menuhin, to leading other professional musicians in the interpretation of great compositions, and to directing the Toronto Summer Music Festival, Jonathan has established himself as one of the most respected violinists in the North American music scene.  Jonathan also talks about teaching Amos’s cousin, Kerson Leong, and how Kerson has forged his own unique, recognisable style as a violinist from a young age.  Amos and Jonathan also discuss the differences between a Stradivarius violin and a del Gesù violin, and how such violins are crucial for tone colour and performance.
Music by: Scott Buckley, https://www.scottbuckley.com.au/
   And by Amos Vang.
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